Wednesday 01/01/2025 by phishnet

2024 MSG4 RECAP: EVOLUTION: THE ULTIMATE PHISH REMIX

[We would like to thank Megan Glionna (@meganglionna) aka @the_megan_dance (X/twitter) for recapping last night's show. -Ed.]

Achievement means accomplishing something successfully using effort, skill or courage. Artistic achievement on a large scale for a long time requires so much, but more than anything it requires courage. The courage to try something new even when you have found what works. On the Helping Friendly Podcast this year we analyzed and ranked the Top 25 Phish Tours of all time and the recurring theme was the relentless pursuit of evolution, even in moments of wild, peaking success. This year’s New Year’s Eve gag was just that. Another push towards the future. Another courageous swing at-bat after a winning season. The pursuit of evolution is the defining feature of the Phish from Vermont. And why last night’s show was a triumph.

© 2024 Scott Marks
© 2024 Scott Marks

The curse of the overachiever might not be discussed often regarding Phish since the band has maintained its outsider status despite their decades-long success. But lately, people have been realizing our well-kept secret. Whether Drew Carey is raving about Phish’s Sphere performance or “Evolve” is making the rounds on your parent’s local radio station, the word is getting out. And of course, it is! A band in their 41st year that played risky shows with deep jams on the beach in Mexico, delivered performances at the Sphere that overshadow U2 and the legacy of the Grateful Dead, and played a wildly successful summer tour that ended with some of the best shows all year, it was bound to happen! So now the world is seeing what we have known all along. As the world around Phish grows so does our feeling of ownership and expectations that they deliver for “the real fans” during their annual New Year’s Eve run at Madison Square Garden.

© 2024 Scott Marks
© 2024 Scott Marks

12/28 was a warm-up show, but since then the run has been largely consistent and strong. We’re not going to debate whether 12/29 has come for the 12/30 crown here (check out The Helping Friendly Podcast for that lively debate, I have thoughts!), but 12/30 suffers from the curse of the overachiever. We expect a lot of the night which I refer to as “the holy night of Phish.” This year, New Year’s Eve also suffered from this curse. Last year Phish did something we didn’t know if they would ever do. Performing a Broadway production of Gamehendge was the gift everyone wanted but was afraid to ask for. And they did it! So, what do you do next?! This is like when you find the perfect birthday gift for your partner only to realize that you will never get them anything this great again. It’s an impossible position. But Phish is the band that gave us Fall 1997 after Fall 1995! This band knows how to deliver after giving the perfect gift. So that’s where we found ourselves last night.

© 2024 Scott Marks
© 2024 Scott Marks

The first set was filled with classic, playful Phish. “Bouncing Around the Room” was the filling in “Mike’s Groove” for the first time since 2016. At 12-and-a-half minutes, “Stash” had a dramatic jam with strong piano from Page, big rolling drums from Fishman and some crystal clear soloing from Trey (his tone has been impeccable during this run). “Split Open and Melt” was another highlight with a descent into a synth drenched darkness and a textured noise jam. “The Squirming Coil” closed the set and had to be played as a nod to the hanging coils twisting above the stage for the impending gag.

A super strong second set included a fantastic “My Friend My Friend.” Clocking in just under 20-minutes, this version has a sophisticated soundscape with a driving, haunting energy thanks to the masterful synth work from Page and the melodic bass lines that Mike has been dropping this year. The “Golden Age” jam is beautiful and has “No Quarter” vibes. For the first time ever a jam from this song melted into “What’s the Use.” It’s a lovely segue and the perfect call. Some old school Phish followed and “First Tube” sent everyone off on a high note to the second setbreak.

© 2024 Peter Orr
© 2024 Peter Orr

Set three opened with a tight “Character Zero” followed by the new song “Pillow Jets.” In its tenth outing, “Pillow Jets” fulfilled its dramatic potential as performers with wings, robes and golden masks came out and conjured thunder with their operatic singing. A giant golden mask appeared in pieces and slowly came together, hovering above the band. The newest song to debut this year, “What’s Going Through Your Mind” has already had a great year. Debuting during a fantastic sit-in with Billy Strings and opening the second set on night one of Mondegreen with a giant 25-minute jam, the rumor was this song might be the gag. I was expecting a Broadway-style interpretation of the narrative aspect of the song, but it turns out the song was a gateway to something some of us have wanted forever. Or at least since we started going to raves in 1997.

© 2024 Scott Marks
© 2024 Scott Marks

The song cracked open the EDM Phish portal that has always been a dream for my 19-year-old self who loved Phish but fell in love with dance music too and always wondered what that marriage would be like. Maybe it’s good they waited this long because it was a tremendous, joyful union. Using this song as a launching pad, the band performed a 15-minute remix with lyrics from many songs (“Blaze On,” “Bouncin’ Around the Room,” “Martian Monster,” “Wolfman’s Brother, “The Lizards” and “Halley’s Comet”) and a propulsive beat that only Mr. Jon Fishman could create. Rave dancers flanked the band and billowing sheets and coils floated above. Kuroda had rectangular screens suspended above the stage and the Phish rave was in full effect. This wildly successful gag was a perfect example of how this band has continued to create really fun parties while also being intellectual and interesting. The tension and release inherent in dance music is something Phish mastered long ago and hearing them use it to nose-dive into “Chalkdust Torture” after the remix was incredible.

© 2024 Peter Orr
© 2024 Peter Orr

The rest of the set hit all the right Phish notes: celebration (“Chalkdust Torture”), contemplation (“Slave to the Traffic Light”), rock and roll (“Life Saving Gun”) and joyful exuberance (“Say it to me SANTOS”). Cue the perfect encore. “Grind” is so silly but also incredibly meaningful in its simplicity and vulnerability. A tally of the days is what remains at the end, and hopefully our end is not soon. Dropping "Icculus," referencing what a great year it's been and connecting it to last year’s New Year’s gag was the ultimate Phish move. Trey said it wasn't planned but who knows. It was genius and moving and an incredible way to close off a phenomenal year of Phish.

Last year Phish looked to the past to give the fans something they’ve always wanted and acknowledge how far the band has come since their early Gamehendge days. This year they took their new songs and pushed themselves to incorporate a new style of music. Maybe Phish will incorporate more EDM into their music moving forward, and maybe they won’t. But that’s what keeps us coming back, an ever-present wondering of how this band will change and continue to push themselves into the future.

© 2024 Peter Orr
© 2024 Peter Orr

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Comments

, comment by pureguava
pureguava a detailed, yet impressively concise, reading of an amazing show. thank you
, comment by anarchitect
anarchitect I hope the EDM remains just a nye gag, but that’s just me.
, comment by justinofhudson
justinofhudson I believe this is the first time in seeing Phish since 1995 that I watched the band not being their own rhythm section or actually playing the music we were hearing (aside from samples or having a dj on stage which I think happened before). This has always been a thing i really appreciated about them, as I believe they have often shown the possibilities of what 4 guys with crazy talent and hard work could produce. With that being said this is not a step that I am excited about ever hearing phish take again. Best band ever and LETFISHPLAY!!! :)
, comment by YEM_83
YEM_83 That was not very good......
, comment by surpher
surpher Wait, are we saying they weren’t playing the music we were hearing? Was there like a recording or something?
, comment by AbePhroman
AbePhroman @anarchitect said:
I hope the EDM remains just a nye gag, but that’s just me.
Not just you.
, comment by stellamags
stellamags Perfectly said!! Got goosebumps reading this - reliving it already! Thank you Megan, and to the band who will always continue to blow our minds, no matter whats going through them ;)
, comment by Tharkin
Tharkin I loved the jam they played with the robed dancers vocalizing! The EDM section isn't something I'd listen to on my own too often, but in the moment and just as an example of the band pushing into something new, I thought it was amazing. Couch tour for all 4 NYE shows, had a blast!
, comment by Your_trip_is_short1985
Your_trip_is_short1985 Thank you for this beautifully written review! MSG was electric last night in every sense of the word. All in attendance had a dancing good time and I imagine that energy doesn’t carry over into a living room TV.

I have always had a hard time associating electronic shows as “live music” given how much of the work is generated and recorded before a DJ hits the stage. So happy to watch Phish prove how it should be done!
, comment by electronic
electronic So appreciative of this band's explorations. Would love more EDM in the future, and/or maybe just some DJ Page late night sets.
, comment by RationalThinking
RationalThinking The downvotes of the "non-mainstream" opinions in these comments prompted me to write this response.

Downvoting a comment that they want Fish to play the drums, or even worse, downvoting (-15?!?) a comment that someone didn't enjoy the performance is exactly why phish.net has substantially degraded in content over the last 2-3 years and why, I think, many of the "big name" analytical users have stopped posting. As a very long-time lurker/reader (like, rec.phish.net), this place, for 10+ years, used to openly welcome and encourage critiques and criticism and in-depth analysis and obsessive comparison. Over the last 2-3 years, that phish.net identity has swung substantially to the opposite side of that spectrum, where easy answers and instant gratification of whatever the most recent jam/show they played is the best ever, inarguably. And the comparative discussion/analysis literally stops there.

Example: Current .net superuser: "That July 2024 Tweezer/that 15-minute Ruby Waves/that entirely standard-good 2024 jam was the best they have ever played! They've never sounded so good!" (current .net's response: +20 upvotes + yes it was the best ever because I was there/webcasted it + rejects any and all comparisons/critiques as to why that July 2024 Tweezer/Ruby Waves/jam maybe isn't the best they've ever played + harshly rejects any contrasting opinions/contrasting examples). And so on, ad nauseum. This is phish.net's current reality. The extreme recency bias (plus the outright rejection of the critical comparison of recent jams to other historical jams and the rejection of compositional accuracy/speed/integrity, as compared to now vs then) on today's forum is mind-blowingly absurd.

True, "academically critical" discussion of Phish (and not for any negative outcome/purpose) used to be what the forum used to be all about. Intense, deliberate, musical dissection that would harbor appreciation, welcome differing opinions, and promote a discernment between "standard good" versus "really good" versus "good... but not that good." Encouraging deeper listening, deeper understanding, and deeper appreciation for just how good Phish always was (and, at times, still is) and how everything compares to everything so that we can identify the truly exceptional, the great, the good, the average, and the subpar, and understand the paths to get to them, and how they all connect/relate/compare.

This is because Phish is comparable to one band only: Phish. We should be intensely comparing Phish to Phish on the phish.net forum. We should not be giving them a free pass to deity because they played a show you attended. This is literally what the phish.net forum is was for: to share all thoughts and analyze all parts of Phish's music. Except, now, the forum is the same as almost every other internet forum -- many/most threads are completely unrelated to Phish, and those that are related to Phish seem to be an echo chamber of nodding heads that are entirely unwelcome to a contrasting opinion... just like any other internet/subject matter forum.

And let me make one thing very, very clear: Phish is great and I LOVE them. They're Phish. They're the top of the mountain in the jam world and also in the live music world. But that doesn't mean every jam they play is great. It doesn't mean every show is great. And it doesn't mean everything they play or try is the best thing ever. What's more, and something that current phish.net doesn't seem to be able to reconcile, is that you can still have the time of your life at a subpar, average, or above average show without needing to call it the best show ever and call its jams the best jams ever. I have been to 100+ shows over three decades. I have had a blast at some shitty Phish shows, and I have had a blast at some extraordinary Phish shows, and I have had a blast at some average-good Phish show. And after each show, after the lights go up, I know which type of show I was at, and I accept it. I don't try to turn it into something it wasn't just because I had a good time, or just because I reallllllllllllllllly wanted it to be a great show.

Unfortunately, with today's iteration of phish.net superusers, if you're not saying/agreeing with them that every jam Phish is playing is the best thing ever, OR if you are saying xyz jam show was entirely average/forgettable, the non-superuser is ostracized, downvoted, or otherwise told, as you, @dongusbologna, alluded to, "You aren't a real fan, you don't get it, can you still have fun?" And, subsequently, here we are today in a very watered down version of the forum, where the only opinion allowed is the one that aligns with this statement: "this is the best thing they have ever played."
, comment by RationalThinking
RationalThinking Mistakenly @'d dongusbologna from another thread, but what they said still rings true for this thread.
, comment by piper1011
piper1011 Scott Marks is lame. Accepts no criticism. Simply blocks anyone who doesn’t agree with him. That is all.
, comment by SirWalls
SirWalls Great review. Their commitment to evolving as a band was a hot topic with my group post show. It feels like they’ve been playing with joyful invincibility since Covid and Mike’s new rig is taking their sound to another level. On several occasions the band was creating soundscapes for Mike to have his way with and this made songs I’ve seen countless times feel brand new again. What I’m seeing from this band is the equivalent of Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky dominating like a 25 year old in their age 60 season. Hard to imagine but it’s absolutely amazing and we should be grateful because that same commitment to evolving and reinventing themselves is why this ride didn’t end 20 years ago.
, comment by BestBandEver
BestBandEver I honestly couldn't care less about up or down-voting. Unfortunately, the "like" button has unalterably changed humanity at this point and there's no going back. Can you imagine if Facebook or Instagram had a "dislike" button?! Yikes. Maybe it should just be removed...So, about the show: I loved it. The review was aggressively fine. I kind of doubt that they will do the EDM thing again but hey, maybe that will be the new WGTYM jam type? I'm sure they (read: Trey) spent a while creating it and I don't see them doing that ahead of time for just any random show. I could also see it getting pretty boring pretty quick if repeated too regularly (a la Dead and Co's EDM-laced drums sequences) but man, in terms of the "am I actually seeing/ hearing this?!" factor in the moment (which is kind of what everyone wants for the NYE gag) it was pretty much tops. Regardless of how you felt about it, you definitely felt something, and it was a strong feeling. Was it top notch EDM music? No. But was it was bold, risky, norm-challenging, humorous, joyful and creative AF? Yup. That's why this band rules. They routinely find ways to take your expectations, throw them in a blender, and splatter the contents all over the walls of your skull. I for one would have probably been more psyched to be there for this year's gag than last year's Gamehenge (alas, I was not present at either) for the same reasons I prefer Halloween 2013, 2014, 2018 and 2021 over any other Halloween shows - why see Phish do something that already exists/ has been done when you can see them create something completely new and unexpected? That's why we Phish. Can't wait to see what they do to blow our minds next.
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