According to, this show was listed in the October 1989 Phish Update, however, the venue is unclear. It may have been Copperfield's or The Orange Grove, or possibly Clements. This setlist is incomplete and likely incorrect as well. Home videos were shown both before and during this humorous Bike. Trey jokingly referred to TMWSIY as “The Man Who Stepped Into Dog Log.”  A recording of "10/13/89" circulated with a very different setlist (e.g., McGrupp, Divided, Reba, Mike's Groove, etc.), but that music is believed to be from 10/10/89 Front, where the second Reba was purportedly performed, according to
Debut Years (Average: 1986)

This show was part of the "1989 Tour"

Show Reviews

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Review by didgeridoo2

didgeridoo2 This show wasn't at Clement's Brewpub. I'm pretty sure it was the Orange Grove. Hungry Charlie's wasn't sold to Clement's until 1990. I was bartending in the summer of 1990 and Fishman came in one night and we talked about he always wanted to play there (as Chucks). I was actually playing my tapes from the Townsend shows a couple weeks earlier when he came in. So he left me his booking info and the show happened a couple months later in November.
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Review by UtilityMuffin

UtilityMuffin This show was at Copperfield's. I am positive about this. I was there! They played the Orange Grove in the spring of '89. I missed that.

They sound checked Reba, which I don't think they had played officially played live yet. They were still working out the whistling parts.

This was my first Phish show and the only one I ever attended where the venue was less than half full.
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Review by Doctor_Smarty

Doctor_Smarty David Bowie
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Review by thelot

thelot Notes from what circulates for this date…very confused to what is correct as Trey does reference Hamilton and Ithaca College after Lizards and Reba. Which leads me to believe this didn’t take place at The Front. Also, I’m not sure if he would’ve said you are only the second people to hear Reba when it had just been debuted at The Front 10 days prior? We may never know, but obliviously this new source must be in Phish’s archive at this point. Btw the source for 10/10 which circulates as 10/13 is superior to the source that is on

art (marmar):

10/12/89 is mabel brown room at keene state college and they didn't play buried that night so no confusion. 10/13 is likely syracuse but i don't know the history of the place's name except it's been the source of confusion as you can see below. mockingbird's lists for the first three syracuse gigs are in italics below. it's obvious if your tape (with mike's groove) is a complete set, then their different list also containing mike's groove is incorrect.

i'm tempted to believe you have a set of 10/13/89 syracuse for three reasons:

1. 10/1/89 is the first reba and 10/20 is a lot of gigs between the first and second play of the song.
2. the show is listed in the 10/89 newsletter as copperfield's in syracuse
3. mimi probably would have attended the show and would have known the correct date and venue at
the time.

i'm also tempted to think it probably was at orange grove because of reason 3 but i know little to nothing about syracuse venues. i actually suspect copperfield's may have also or later been known as orange grove. here's what i know: phish's first syracuse gig or gigs (depending whether they played 5/12 and 5/13 or just 5/13 - a whole other inquiry) were at copperfield's and/or hungry charlie's respectively.

my suspicion is one venue may have had multiple names - ie: copperfield's could have been called that in 5/89 but called orange grove in october and still been the same location, leading to a misprint in the newsletter. it's also possible management thought the 10/89 gig was going to be at copperfield's at press time but venue changed between newsletter and gig. unfortunately i don't have much more to work from. your tape is a good find and sheds more light on the date and reba's history, but not the venue name.

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