@nichobert said:

It'd be cool if the band could play Roses without people needing to reference that it didn't have a jam.. It's had 3.5 jams ever and two were on Island Tour and at Big Cypress, not exactly repeatable moments.. Ya Mar, Number Line, Kill Devil Falls, Caspian, Undermind, Fee are a small handful of songs who have gone deep more often than Roses but strangely don't get tagged with that "And they didn't jam it" downgrade. No shade being thrown towards the reviewer here. It's just a trend. Found it interesting that the entire fanbase threw a bit of a shitfit when Halleys didn't keep jamming, but nobody hears Undermind go through the motions and gets mad that they didn't 8/31/12 it. Despite IMO, that Undermind *crushing* every jammed out Halley's except for the last few minutes of the Hampton one.

Poor Waiting All Night. It's strange that Phish is still undecided on the best place to put this song. It seems perfectly suited to being the landing strip after the first big set II jam, or an extra trippy choice for the breather slot ala Roggae & If I Could. Random first set versions are perplexing.

i agree. what would be cool, though, is if they - especially trey - went a bit more raw. a bit more of the BBFCFM scuzz like the earlier versions. more notes and demented melodic variation. i'm with you that it doesn't need to be this 20 minute excursion. or even ten (Worcester 12). but it's so polished sounding as to be like an easier to execute bouncing or something.