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meanpete [/quote]
I respectfully, but strongly disagree with point #2.

IMO, the best year of 3.0 in 2012. I also like Fall 2013, but I think that 2012 is significantly better than 2013 and 2014, and that's without a fall tour.

So, what is the turning point of 3.0? I think there are quite a few inflection points, starting as early as Camden '09, but if I had to pin it on a show/a run of shows/a tour, I'd say Fall 2010. Funny enough, I didn't see a show on that tour. But there were quite a few powerful shows in a short period of time, and it led into MSG '10, where there were some major highlights. Summer '11 is not my favorite, but it had Chicago, Superball and Dick's, all of which kept momentum going. MSG '11 was a one-off dip, not sure what happened there, and then Worcester started '12 off right and it continued all the way through to the incredible 12/30 show (12/31 rarely does it for me, musically, it's more of a best-party-ever feeling than something I need to listen back to over and over again).[/quote]

I agree in many ways. In my mind, early summer 2012 signaled a definite change in the overall quality and consistency of Phish shows. I can't argue with anyone who suggests that late summer 2012 was the high water mark of 3.0.

In my comment, I was representing what I interpret to be the consensus opinion of the board, which is that fall '13 is the best tour, and the Tahoe Tweezer is viewed by many as the start of a run of greatness. (I would not argue with anyone who cites the Gorge shows as the true starting point, but we're talking jams, not full sets or shows).


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