I see this discussion has continued to descend into territory far, far away from the original topic. I don't know why this bothers me so much. Perhaps it's because the tenor of this debate has devolved into something I generally don't associate with our scene: pettiness.

A handful of participants in this discussion have hijacked this thread and not one of them seems content unless they have the last word*.

To this, I offer a solution: Meet up at a show and hash this out in person. I find that face-to-face encounters are rarely as venomous as they are on the semi-anonymous (and certainly less personal) Internet.

Of course, you could continue this sad and somewhat masterbaitory debate where you continually quote and pick apart each other's increasingly off-topic and childish posts. That's another option.

*Not me, of course. That would be hypocritical.