Ditto on the healthiness of the discussion. Please keep the "you can't be serious stuff" to yourself. I'm pretty sure we're serious.

I've been witnessing and tracking the band's overall decline since Coventry. Seeing Trey up on the big screen (thankfully didn't attend), closeups of his hands, playing Curtain in the wrong key...it was really too much. Yes, things have gotten better, much better in fact. But pointing to Trey's marginal improvements in dexterity or speed belie the elephant (multibeast?) in the room.

And please stop pointing to songs like Bethel's Runaway Jim as evidence of progress or improvement. The cool tribal thing during the breakdown is soiled and eclipsed by Trey's incoherence and sour notes in the culminating jam.

I don't want to insult anybody either but as an active musician, I wouldn't be comfortable charging people to see me play if I was unable to perform adequately.