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2013 Fall Tour Announced

Posted 2013-07-24 13:00:10 by jwelsh8 - 31 comments - Link: http://phi.sh/2aki6y

Phish has announced a 12-night Fall tour, kicking off with a three-night stand at the Mothership in Hampton. Continuing north, Phish will make a long-awaited return to the Glens Falls Civic Center. The run ends with three nights at the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall, the first night falling on Halloween (three years after the Little Feat costume).

As noted on Phish.com, an online ticket request period for the tour is currently underway at http://tickets.phish.com and will end on Sunday, August 4th at 11:59PM ET. Tickets will go on sale to the general public beginning August 8th and continue through the 10th.

It should be noted that no mention of an event on December 2nd to celebrate the band's actual 30th Anniversary has been made.  

10/18 thru 10/20 Hampton Coliseum, Hampton, Virginia
10/22 Blue Cross Arena, Rochester, New York
10/23 Glens Falls Civic Center, Glens Falls, New York
10/25 & 10/26 DCU Center, Worcester, Massachusetts
10/27 XL Center, Hartford, Connecticut
10/29 Sovereign Center, Reading, Pennsylvania
10/31 thru 11/02 Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey

Comments

imdano Reply
The United States Department of Labor provides a very handy Consumer Price Index Calculator on its website (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) This calculator tells you how much an item worth X dollars in a given year should be worth today. When Phish played Hampton Coliseum in 1997, the ticket price was $22.50. The CPI inflation calculator tells us that $22.50 in 1997 is equal to $32.73 in 2013. The ticket price for the three night Hampton run in October is $65.00. To me this is indicative of two major issues with Phish’s current business practices. For one, admission cost to a Phish show has been allowed to increase at essentially double the rate of inflation since 1997. Allowing for subjective dissent, it is more or less universally accepted amongst Phish’s community of fans that 1997 saw the band’s finest playing and most treasured shows. So, do we think that what we are seeing now is worth more than double what we saw in 1997? That would be a pretty tough argument to make. In this post-economic meltdown, tepid-recovery economy, we all need to be wise consumers. I love the music of this band, but am I not foolish to spend so much money on a product that has skyrocketed in price without an equivalent trend in quality? Hmmmm.
The other issue to be concerned about is the fact that tickets for arena shows have gone up $5 since just last year. That increase far exceeds the rate of inflation, for according to the handy CPI calculator, $60 in 2012 is equal to $61.02 today. Can we expect a price hike every couple of years, just as a matter of policy, from now on? Again, there is no discernable increase in quality, or certainly not an empirical, objective one that makes the shows of each year better than that of the year before.

I suspect that this may be a result of Phish relinquishing their operations management and allowing Redline to handle their affairs. However, I think the band should in some way be made aware of this ticket price issue. As a band and a business, Phish endeavored for over 20 years to provide a unique product that was constantly evolving and rewarding their audience. They went to fairly extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to satisfy their audience, to great effect. Now that they are older and no longer able to devote their every waking hour to Phish, it is troubling to see that they have been mildly gouging their devoted fans for a few years. Indeed, this issue dovetails fairly well with the current dialogue regarding the limited selection of songs they are playing. Are they really delivering appropriately to how they are charging us?

I think Phish still cares a great deal about their fans, and I for one think it would be great to see them address this issue. It would demonstrate real care and involvement with their community of fans, something they have always strived for.
Score: 5
HenryHolland Reply
HenryHolland Obligatory "no love for the west coast" post.

Hard to complain about 2 in Tahoe > 3 in San Francisco > Hollywood Bowl on the summer tour, though that probably doesn't matter to phans in Portland and Seattle and thereabouts. Really looking forward to the Hollywood Bowl show, the lights should be amazing and I hope they don't play it safe with the setlist again.

Since LivePhish seems to have gotten the hang of the webcasts, I suspect Hampton, Worcester and Atlantic City, at a minimum, will be webcast. Since all the shows on fall tour are indoors, I don't expect any repeat of the weather-related Chicago shenanigans.

Now if they'd only bust out a well-rehearsed The Curtain (With).......
Score: 4
AlbanyYEM Reply
AlbanyYEM Slim pickings for the Midwest this year. Just sayin.
Score: 4
Jth453 Reply
This is their idea of a 30th anniversary fall tour? What a joke. ::sheds tear::
Score: 3
phishyzo Reply
KUDOS!!! to the North East....so glad you finally get some Phish shows in your region.

But seriously.....they are WAAAAAYYYYY overdue for a Vegas run.
Score: 3
GottaJiballer Reply
GottaJiballer I must say I am slightly disappointed in this list of dates. Great for the NE, but the rest of the country does still exist, whether Phish wants to admit it or not. I live in NC and I'm goin all the way to the Gorge because all the Southern dates for summer tour(excluding MPP - Maryland is NOT the South) were on weekdays, when most of us adult Phish fans can't just leave the state for a concert (I decided it was worth missing a week to make the pilgrimage to Mecca) The number of shows is not a problem. I get that they are getting older and playing 50 shows a year is a good bit more difficult than it used to be, but having all 12 shows in such close quarters just seems like a big middle finger to the rest of the country. I'm happy they are playing, just wish they could be a little more understanding of the finances of their fans who live in places not named NJ or NY. I'm sure I sound like a whiney little bitch, it just sucks that if I want to see my favorite band this year, I have to drive at least 250 miles to do so...and this seems to be the most appropriate place to vent my frustrations. Feel free to make me feel less butt hurt about this if you can.
Score: 2
jakechyllenhaal Reply
jakechyllenhaal "It should be noted that no mention of an event on December 2nd to celebrate the band's actual 30th Anniversary has been made."

Because they are? Are not? Might?

Score: 2
LightsWentOut Reply
LightsWentOut Yup. I have to admit that I was really, really hoping for a Texas date, but I get it. Awesomeness, of course, for our NE friends. All of these towns (with the exception of Reading, I think) are rich in Phishtory and any time the band is playing is a good time indeed.

Here's hoping that Worcester is webcast, 'cause you know that will be a throw-down.
Score: 2
SLUG1111 Reply
SLUG1111 @Part_of_the_Kollektiv said:
@imdano said:
The United States Department of Labor provides a very handy Consumer Price Index Calculator on its website (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) This calculator tells you how much an item worth X dollars in a given year should be worth today. When Phish played Hampton Coliseum in 1997, the ticket price was $22.50. The CPI inflation calculator tells us that $22.50 in 1997 is equal to $32.73 in 2013. The ticket price for the three night Hampton run in October is $65.00. To me this is indicative of two major issues with Phish�s current business practices. For one, admission cost to a Phish show has been allowed to increase at essentially double the rate of inflation since 1997. Allowing for subjective dissent, it is more or less universally accepted amongst Phish�s community of fans that 1997 saw the band�s finest playing and most treasured shows. So, do we think that what we are seeing now is worth more than double what we saw in 1997? That would be a pretty tough argument to make. In this post-economic meltdown, tepid-recovery economy, we all need to be wise consumers. I love the music of this band, but am I not foolish to spend so much money on a product that has skyrocketed in price without an equivalent trend in quality? Hmmmm.
The other issue to be concerned about is the fact that tickets for arena shows have gone up $5 since just last year. That increase far exceeds the rate of inflation, for according to the handy CPI calculator, $60 in 2012 is equal to $61.02 today. Can we expect a price hike every couple of years, just as a matter of policy, from now on? Again, there is no discernable increase in quality, or certainly not an empirical, objective one that makes the shows of each year better than that of the year before.

I suspect that this may be a result of Phish relinquishing their operations management and allowing Redline to handle their affairs. However, I think the band should in some way be made aware of this ticket price issue. As a band and a business, Phish endeavored for over 20 years to provide a unique product that was constantly evolving and rewarding their audience. They went to fairly extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to satisfy their audience, to great effect. Now that they are older and no longer able to devote their every waking hour to Phish, it is troubling to see that they have been mildly gouging their devoted fans for a few years. Indeed, this issue dovetails fairly well with the current dialogue regarding the limited selection of songs they are playing. Are they really delivering appropriately to how they are charging us?

I think Phish still cares a great deal about their fans, and I for one think it would be great to see them address this issue. It would demonstrate real care and involvement with their community of fans, something they have always strived for.
I was four in '97 so I can't comment much about the difference between seeing Phish then and now. But I would like to point out that the price of gas, which I would assume is one of the largest costs of doing a tour like Phish does, was on average 1.35 a gallon in 97, which your calculator tells me would equal 1.96 today. Now, the national average of gas is almost twice as much at 3.80 a gallon.

It seems to me that Phish is a business and the cost of doing business has raised significantly since 1997.

That's just my 4 cents.
gas prices went up that much because the supply is running out and oil rich countries need to capitalize on what's left.....Unfortunately Phish won't be around forever either - without debating on when their music was best (90's for sure/but still love stuff they are doing now); their "brand" today is at an all time high -thanks to both their sweat equity over the years and the addition of social media and new technology which allows more fans to be reached with streaming live shows, access to live shows, etc....

with brand being at all time high and them getting older....not really surprised nor do I have a problem with ticket prices being what they are....is what it is...

charge more....this way I don't have to compete with half of the haters day of onsale :)
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Part_of_the_Kollektiv Reply
@imdano said:
The United States Department of Labor provides a very handy Consumer Price Index Calculator on its website (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) This calculator tells you how much an item worth X dollars in a given year should be worth today. When Phish played Hampton Coliseum in 1997, the ticket price was $22.50. The CPI inflation calculator tells us that $22.50 in 1997 is equal to $32.73 in 2013. The ticket price for the three night Hampton run in October is $65.00. To me this is indicative of two major issues with Phish�s current business practices. For one, admission cost to a Phish show has been allowed to increase at essentially double the rate of inflation since 1997. Allowing for subjective dissent, it is more or less universally accepted amongst Phish�s community of fans that 1997 saw the band�s finest playing and most treasured shows. So, do we think that what we are seeing now is worth more than double what we saw in 1997? That would be a pretty tough argument to make. In this post-economic meltdown, tepid-recovery economy, we all need to be wise consumers. I love the music of this band, but am I not foolish to spend so much money on a product that has skyrocketed in price without an equivalent trend in quality? Hmmmm.
The other issue to be concerned about is the fact that tickets for arena shows have gone up $5 since just last year. That increase far exceeds the rate of inflation, for according to the handy CPI calculator, $60 in 2012 is equal to $61.02 today. Can we expect a price hike every couple of years, just as a matter of policy, from now on? Again, there is no discernable increase in quality, or certainly not an empirical, objective one that makes the shows of each year better than that of the year before.

I suspect that this may be a result of Phish relinquishing their operations management and allowing Redline to handle their affairs. However, I think the band should in some way be made aware of this ticket price issue. As a band and a business, Phish endeavored for over 20 years to provide a unique product that was constantly evolving and rewarding their audience. They went to fairly extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to satisfy their audience, to great effect. Now that they are older and no longer able to devote their every waking hour to Phish, it is troubling to see that they have been mildly gouging their devoted fans for a few years. Indeed, this issue dovetails fairly well with the current dialogue regarding the limited selection of songs they are playing. Are they really delivering appropriately to how they are charging us?

I think Phish still cares a great deal about their fans, and I for one think it would be great to see them address this issue. It would demonstrate real care and involvement with their community of fans, something they have always strived for.
I was four in '97 so I can't comment much about the difference between seeing Phish then and now. But I would like to point out that the price of gas, which I would assume is one of the largest costs of doing a tour like Phish does, was on average 1.35 a gallon in 97, which your calculator tells me would equal 1.96 today. Now, the national average of gas is almost twice as much at 3.80 a gallon.

It seems to me that Phish is a business and the cost of doing business has raised significantly since 1997.

That's just my 4 cents.
Score: 1
InsectEffect Reply
InsectEffect
@imdano I'm with you. I experienced big-time sticker shock when I saw the $5 increase to $65 GA for this Fall Tour. Though outpacing inflation is to be expected if the 'demand' is present (ha ha ha), $60 GA is already pushing it --despite the quality of the overall experience, lights, etc-- and limits the number of shows I'm able to see in a given year. Just today I found myself thinking that if the tix stay at $65, Icculus forbid, I may be throwing down for webcast couch tour instead, even if they're playing right in town...

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Kindofblue76 Reply
Why is there so much anger abound? Be phan and just enjoy a band that we've been lucky enough to grow up with and watch evolve for 30 years! What were you expecting for the 30th year? A concert from the surface of the moon?
Score: 1
BigDudeInTheDoorway Reply
I'm in NY, I'm psyched!!! Phish is playing some top level shit and doing a fall tour.
Look at all the haters on here "too much for tix", "too far away". You do realize an alternative is Phish doesn't play and there are no tix prices to even complain about. If you live on the West Coast get on some 1/2 full shit. Be happy that if you pay for plane tix, you could rent a car or link up with a friend, and see a ton of shows in a small area.

That being said, I do feel for my West Coast brethren. But summa tour does nice you up

Tix prices on the other hand...don't be a bitch, they could charge double and we would pay it, or at least I would.
Score: 1
swampthing Reply
swampthing I'm one of the many groaning and moaning fans... But I just wish they would come back to New Orleans for a show like Halloween or even a Fall/Spring (ie Jazz Phest) show. I know Jazz Fest is outta the question for these guys since the 1995 extravaganz, but it doesn't hurt to wish.

Having moved back home to New Orleans from San Francisco bums me out I'm missing Billy the Kid Graham this year, as last year was amazing (and Outside Lands the year before was a great time with the girlfriend).

I dunno... Phish and Halloween in New Orleans just seems so right.

Or am I so wrong?

Score: 1
dfro20 Reply
I live in Florida, where we get shafted pretty hard when it comes to Phish tour. But guess what, I got to drive 7.5 hours to see them this summer in Alpharetta, and I'm going to drive 12 hours to see them in Hampton this Fall. Everyone should stop complaining saying they want more shows and boohoo they aren't coming close to me. Suck it up, plan your trip, and go to a show, if not, get the webcast.
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Jb1423 Reply
Houses of the Holy or Song Remains the Same. PLEASE!!!!!
Perhaps we bring in a sub for Trey to hit the plant High Notes?
Score: 1
TwiceBitten Reply
TwiceBitten Glens Falls > Worcester > Hartford and I can sleep at home in Boston every night!
Score: 1
BradMaryland Reply
BradMaryland I received my Reading and AC tickets today!!!! Yeah boy!!
Score: 0
theothr1 Reply
theothr1 @imdano, as much as i love this band, and have for over 20 yrs, i COMPLETELY agree w your sentiments which is why i've seen a whopping grand total of 4 Phishowz since 2009 and not one single outing between 9-25-00 and 6-18-09...i apologize to those who have to forcefully rationalize to themselves (and, seemingly, the rest of us) in order to believe that Phish is NOW at the peak of their power and creativity...the only example i can think of (and i already knows it SUCKS....however,) is the following: i'm sure most of you have been to higher-end restaurants where you can pick your own lobster or cut of steak BEFORE you eat it...at a good percentage of these establishments, whether or not you would know a good cut of steak even if it bit you in the ass(or a meaty lobster if it pinched you in the ass), no matter what you pick, you cannot lose; every cut (or crustacean) is Grade-A top o' the line stuff...the Phish equivalent of these can't miss restaurants are various years (or times of year) such as spring/fall '92, Aug '93, pretty much aaall of '94, fall '95, fall '97, summer '98, etc...you could be freakin' blind and pick pretty much ANY show from these snippets of time and it would, doubtless, be a winner...now, i've heard almost every show from march '09 to the present and there isn't one span of time from which you can pick ANY show and walk away with a guaranteed eargasm...so, no, the price of a Phish ticket is in no way, shape or form equal to what the Phab Phour are dispensing, here, in the 21st century....thumbs-down away, folks, i fully expect it
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yossio Reply
i was waiting to buy the 3 day phish tickets at 12pm on the dot and it sold out in like 30 seconds ,servers overloaded like craaazy and i lost the raffle from last week,i hope i can find a 3 day ticket for me and my friend to phish in ac :)
it will happen i am hopefull :)
:) have a great day all you phishies in the sea :)
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dfro20 Reply
Just bought my 3 day Hampton pass. YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH BOY
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nichobert Reply
nichobert I haven't paid more than $25 on lot yet.

You snooze, you win.

Hey, how about this nugget?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glens_Falls_Civic_Center

Capacity, 4,806 permanent seats plus capacity for 1,000 seated or standing on floor ... Glens Falls Civic Center is a 4,806-seat multi-purpose arena, located in ...
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antelope22 Reply
Finally a New Years Run in Chicago..........as a thank you for Northerly Rainland! Just saying cuz there's no midwest love for fall tour. I thought an Allstate or UIC would be a nice gesture.
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imdano Reply
The United States Department of Labor provides a very handy Consumer Price Index Calculator on its website (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) This calculator tells you how much an item worth X dollars in a given year should be worth today. When Phish played Hampton Coliseum in 1997, the ticket price was $22.50. The CPI inflation calculator tells us that $22.50 in 1997 is equal to $32.73 in 2013. The ticket price for the three night Hampton run in October is $65.00. To me this is indicative of two major issues with Phish’s current business practices. For one, admission cost to a Phish show has been allowed to increase at essentially double the rate of inflation since 1997. Allowing for subjective dissent, it is more or less universally accepted amongst Phish’s community of fans that 1997 saw the band’s finest playing and most treasured shows. So, do we think that what we are seeing now is worth more than double what we saw in 1997? That would be a pretty tough argument to make. In this post-economic meltdown, tepid-recovery economy, we all need to be wise consumers. I love the music of this band, but am I not foolish to spend so much money on a product that has skyrocketed in price without an equivalent trend in quality? Hmmmm.
The other issue to be concerned about is the fact that tickets for arena shows have gone up $5 since just last year. That increase far exceeds the rate of inflation, for according to the handy CPI calculator, $60 in 2012 is equal to $61.02 today. Can we expect a price hike every couple of years, just as a matter of policy, from now on? Again, there is no discernable increase in quality, or certainly not an empirical, objective one that makes the shows of each year better than that of the year before.

I suspect that this may be a result of Phish relinquishing their operations management and allowing Redline to handle their affairs. However, I think the band should in some way be made aware of this ticket price issue. As a band and a business, Phish endeavored for over 20 years to provide a unique product that was constantly evolving and rewarding their audience. They went to fairly extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to satisfy their audience, to great effect. Now that they are older and no longer able to devote their every waking hour to Phish, it is troubling to see that they have been mildly gouging their devoted fans for a few years. Indeed, this issue dovetails fairly well with the current dialogue regarding the limited selection of songs they are playing. Are they really delivering appropriately to how they are charging us?

I think Phish still cares a great deal about their fans, and I for one think it would be great to see them address this issue. It would demonstrate real care and involvement with their community of fans, something they have always strived for.
Score: 0
BradMaryland Reply
BradMaryland Reading is a relatively new arena similar to the old spectrum in Philly. Can't wait !
Score: 0
phishyzo Reply
@HenryHolland said:
Obligatory "no love for the west coast" post. Hard to complain about 2 in Tahoe > 3 in San Francisco > Hollywood Bowl on the summer tour, though that probably doesn't matter to phans in Portland and Seattle and thereabouts. Really looking forward to the Hollywood Bowl show, the lights should be amazing and I hope they don't play it safe with the setlist again. Since LivePhish seems to have gotten the hang of the webcasts, I suspect Hampton, Worcester and Atlantic City, at a minimum, will be webcast. Since all the shows on fall tour are indoors, I don't expect any repeat of the weather-related Chicago shenanigans. Now if they'd only bust out a well-rehearsed The Curtain (With).......
Note that Tahoe and SF are in SMALL venues (i.e. hard to get a ticket) not to mention if you have a ticket in the back half of Hollywood Bowl then you're almost in Orange County.
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fydo1974 Reply
fydo1974 Odd that there's no special note about the Halloween show. It's the same price as the other two Atlantic City shows. I'm assuming that it will be a traditional Halloween three set show with a second set album cover, but that's not explicitly mentioned in the tour announcement.
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docgonzo Reply
Obligatory "no love for the west coast" post.
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SLUG1111 Reply
SLUG1111 @imdano said:
The United States Department of Labor provides a very handy Consumer Price Index Calculator on its website (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) This calculator tells you how much an item worth X dollars in a given year should be worth today. When Phish played Hampton Coliseum in 1997, the ticket price was $22.50. The CPI inflation calculator tells us that $22.50 in 1997 is equal to $32.73 in 2013. The ticket price for the three night Hampton run in October is $65.00. To me this is indicative of two major issues with Phish�s current business practices. For one, admission cost to a Phish show has been allowed to increase at essentially double the rate of inflation since 1997. Allowing for subjective dissent, it is more or less universally accepted amongst Phish�s community of fans that 1997 saw the band�s finest playing and most treasured shows. So, do we think that what we are seeing now is worth more than double what we saw in 1997? That would be a pretty tough argument to make. In this post-economic meltdown, tepid-recovery economy, we all need to be wise consumers. I love the music of this band, but am I not foolish to spend so much money on a product that has skyrocketed in price without an equivalent trend in quality? Hmmmm.
The other issue to be concerned about is the fact that tickets for arena shows have gone up $5 since just last year. That increase far exceeds the rate of inflation, for according to the handy CPI calculator, $60 in 2012 is equal to $61.02 today. Can we expect a price hike every couple of years, just as a matter of policy, from now on? Again, there is no discernable increase in quality, or certainly not an empirical, objective one that makes the shows of each year better than that of the year before.

I suspect that this may be a result of Phish relinquishing their operations management and allowing Redline to handle their affairs. However, I think the band should in some way be made aware of this ticket price issue. As a band and a business, Phish endeavored for over 20 years to provide a unique product that was constantly evolving and rewarding their audience. They went to fairly extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to satisfy their audience, to great effect. Now that they are older and no longer able to devote their every waking hour to Phish, it is troubling to see that they have been mildly gouging their devoted fans for a few years. Indeed, this issue dovetails fairly well with the current dialogue regarding the limited selection of songs they are playing. Are they really delivering appropriately to how they are charging us?

I think Phish still cares a great deal about their fans, and I for one think it would be great to see them address this issue. It would demonstrate real care and involvement with their community of fans, something they have always strived for.
ANYONE WILL CHARGE AS MUCH AS YOU'RE "WILLING" TO PAY....I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH $70 AT ALL.....THEY SHOULD MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE.....I FEEL THEY DESERVE TO BE MAKING SOME GOOD COIN....DON'T YOU?

*THEY'VE NEVER MADE REAL $ ON SELLING ALBUMS....HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST THEY MAKE GOOD MONEY?

*WOULD YOU TAKE LESS MONEY THAN YOU'RE WORTH BC YOU DON'T WANT TO HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS OR FOR THE "GREATER GOOD"? COMMON DUDE -

BUY THE TICKET, STOP WHINING AND BE SMARTER ABOUT OTHER THINGS YOU SPEND YOUR $ ON.

- ITS LIKE COMPLAINING ABOUT GAS PRICES, HOTEL PRICES ETC....YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT EITHER - BUDGET FOR IT AND MOVE ON

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