Monday 01/21/2013 by lumpblockclod

MYSTERY JAM MONDAY PART 129

Welcome to the MLK MJ here at Phish.net, another prime time edition. As usual we will be playing for an MP3 download, courtesy of our friends at LivePhish.com / Nugs.Net. The rules haven't changed: you need to correctly identify the song and the date to win. Post your guess in the comments. One guess per person per day (with the second “day” starting after I post the hint). A hint will be posted on Tuesday (if necessary) and the answer will be posted on Wednesday. Good luck...

Tuesday Night Answer: Congrats to slaphappy for being the first to call the 9/18/00 "Halley's." See you all next week with MJ130.

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Comments

, comment by conradjohansen
conradjohansen Listen to that rage!!!!

A guess...
11/23/97 Gin
, comment by HarborSeal
HarborSeal Piper 12/29/03
, comment by Bowie_HiHat_Intro
Bowie_HiHat_Intro 11/28/03 Gin (shot in the dark)
, comment by westbrook
westbrook Ghost 9/22/99
, comment by DanceTheJig728
DanceTheJig728 @conradjohansen said:
Listen to that rage!!!!

A guess...
11/23/97 Gin

Yeah I just want to know what it is now so I can listen to the whole thing
, comment by metawhy
metawhy sounds to me like 1999.... in full rage mode. I like the little downward progressions Trey plays at the end
, comment by Bozo3
Bozo3 6/24/00 - Birds of a feather
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez shot in the dark...

7/1/99 down with disease
, comment by herbpowell
herbpowell 8.14.93 YEM
rage on
, comment by MomaDan
MomaDan sounds like 97-00 to me
, comment by mikh2wg
mikh2wg Sounds like a Haley's... indoor.... I'm gonna guess 11/11/98 Haley's Comet.
, comment by JOBOOZOSO
JOBOOZOSO Tuesday, 12/30/1997
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Izabella
, comment by WayIFeel
WayIFeel 11.19.98 Ghost
, comment by slaphappy
slaphappy Ima gonna go wit 2000-09-18 Halley's.
, comment by mcgrupp81
mcgrupp81 Definitely heard it before. And I feel like I have heard it multiple times.
, comment by MJZ1974
MJZ1974 7-6-00 Piper
, comment by Babyrattlesnakes
Babyrattlesnakes 9/14/99 Down with Disease?
, comment by cerqs
cerqs Ghost 11/11/98
, comment by steadyrollinman
steadyrollinman 11/02/1998 Down with Disease
, comment by officercookies
officercookies ghost 12 11 1997
, comment by Blackeydsloth
Blackeydsloth 9/17/00 Rock and Roll
, comment by sftsc
sftsc 7/15/99 split open and melt
, comment by Blackeydsloth
Blackeydsloth I'm a dumbass
, comment by PearlJamMusic
PearlJamMusic shot in the dark

8/1/99 Split Open and Melt
, comment by Harryshappyplace
Harryshappyplace Ghost 10/04/99
, comment by buffalotom
buffalotom I think it's Run Like An Antelope 12/2/99 auburn hill,mi
, comment by buffalotom
buffalotom nevermind. sounds like 99 tho
, comment by switz
switz Definitely a ghost. 9/12/99?
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez @slaphappy said:
Ima gonna go wit 2000-09-18 Halley's.
damn, i had this hunch this morning....was about check it out.
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez @mcgrupp81 said:
Definitely heard it before. And I feel like I have heard it multiple times.
i had the same feeling. in fact, i feel like it was a show i was at. that's why i fired off the 7/1/99 guess right off the bat. as soon as i guessed, i had a hunch that it was a halley's, leading me to think 11/11/98 or more so, possibly 9/18/00. alas, those are all the board as of wake up time. time to double check some jams...
, comment by sumacdrive22
sumacdrive22 9/18/00 Halley's
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez well, my 7/1/99 dwd guess is definitely wrong. on the bright side, i have the massive yem from that show queued up for my drive home from work this evening.
, comment by mcgrupp81
mcgrupp81 Let's throw a 7/19/98 Ghost guess in.
, comment by phootyjon
phootyjon 7/19/2003 Piper
, comment by pauly
pauly @.53 seconds you can hear the lick from Disease thats used as the menu music in the bittersweet dvd
, comment by tweeeeeezer
tweeeeeezer 12.11.97 ghost?

regardless, someone figure this out because i definitely need to hear that jam in full. rocking stuff for sure.
, comment by bl002e
bl002e Great choice, LBC. What an underrated set that was, with an all-time Boogie and Halley's, and solid versions of Twist and McGrupp, and...that's it. One of the all-time greats among the list of rare four-song sets:



Of course, this absolute SCORCHER of a set closer is overshadowed somewhat by the controversy of Trey's mid-song departure, a la the 10/31/98 Ghost. I was dead center, around the 25th row back. I kind of vaguely remember Trey flashing an annoyed look to his right (stage left), but it's foggy enough of a memory that I can't be sure of whether it's legitimately my own memory, or my lasting mental picture from hearing and reading other fans' stories of that moment.

What I clearly remember is, while the other three kept the groove, Trey took off his guitar, bowed, and walked off. I remember Mike and Page exchanging a glance, maybe showing a bit of confusion, but still maintaining decent poker faces. They then went with a fade out, exited stage right, and then minutes later the four of them returned uneventfully for the last two songs of 1.0 I'd see them play.

To use the parlance of our times, the level of "ripcording" in Trey's sudden departure has been built up way too much over the twelve-plus years since that show. Relistening to the Halley's jam today, I was surprised to hear them turn the heat down to a simmer a good minute or two before Trey exits, making the fade out sound absolutely natural. Given the rumors swirling about the details of the impending hiatus at the time, and with the 10/31/98 Ghost in recent memory (a far more jarring end to a jam than this one), I think it's very likely that fans perceived drama that did not exist. Does anyone else there who was there remember any other details that would support or disprove this?

I'm not particularly huge on watching past Phish shows -- as opposed to just listening to them -- but this is one song/set/show I'd absolutely love to see again someday.
, comment by pauly
pauly or maybe it just me!
, comment by markhood
markhood Drowned 12-11-97
, comment by perpg
perpg 12/12/97 - jam between caspian and izabella?
, comment by Satansdogs23
Satansdogs23 @MJZ1974 said:
7-6-00 Piper
also my guess. Pretty certain it's a Piper though.
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez @bl002e said:
Great choice, LBC. What an underrated set that was, with an all-time Boogie and Halley's, and solid versions of Twist and McGrupp, and...that's it. One of the all-time greats among the list of rare four-song sets: 2000-09-18 Of course, this absolute SCORCHER of a set closer is overshadowed somewhat by the controversy of Trey's mid-song departure, a la the 10/31/98 Ghost. I was dead center, around the 25th row back. I kind of vaguely remember Trey flashing an annoyed look to his right (stage left), but it's foggy enough of a memory that I can't be sure of whether it's legitimately my own memory, or my lasting mental picture from hearing and reading other fans' stories of that moment. What I clearly remember is, while the other three kept the groove, Trey took off his guitar, bowed, and walked off. I remember Mike and Page exchanging a glance, maybe showing a bit of confusion, but still maintaining decent poker faces. They then went with a fade out, exited stage right, and then minutes later the four of them returned uneventfully for the last two songs of 1.0 I'd see them play. To use the parlance of our times, the level of "ripcording" in Trey's sudden departure has been built up way too much over the twelve-plus years since that show. Relistening to the Halley's jam today, I was surprised to hear them turn the heat down to a simmer a good minute or two before Trey exits, making the fade out sound absolutely natural. Given the rumors swirling about the details of the impending hiatus at the time, and with the 10/31/98 Ghost in recent memory (a far more jarring end to a jam than this one), I think it's very likely that fans perceived drama that did not exist. Does anyone else there who was there remember any other details that would support or disprove this? I'm not particularly huge on watching past Phish shows -- as opposed to just listening to them -- but this is one song/set/show I'd absolutely love to see again someday.
yeah, boogie and halley's are keepers. i loved that mcgrupp too. personally, i found the twist to be downright boring. i knew my 7/1/99 pick was wrong about as soon as i posted it, and it hit me late last night that it was probably this halley's.... super pissed someone beat me to it.

side note, through a strange twist of events, this was my dad's one and only phish show. he loved the mmgamoio, the sloth, boogie, and this halley's jam. unfortunately, i haven't been able to get the old man back out for round 2.
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez ^oh yeah, as for trey's walk off, I really have no idea. it's been a mystery i have not been able to really clear up over the last 12 years. I was absolutely rocking out to this brutal halley's, and then it stopped "sounding right" to me...

I looked up and trey was coming out of his bow. wtf?!

I have heard everything from he was getting pelted with glow sticks to he needed "a fix." i'm not sure either is true...

I'm with you though. I really don't "watch" phish, but of all the shows/songs i've seen, this is the one that i would like to see again the most, just to clear up the mystery.
, comment by ucpete
ucpete @MiguelSanchez and @bl002e, it's so funny you bring up the walk-off. I started http://forum.phish.net/?thread=1357940759 ' data-toggle='tooltip' data-placement='top' rel='nofollow' title=" <a href='forum.phish.net/?thread=1357940759' rel='nofollow' target='_blank'> forum.phish.net/?thread=1357940759</a> " target='_blank'>this thread about ten days ago talking about the two times (I know of) where Trey walked off the stage in the middle of a raging jam (10/31/98 Ghost and this Halley's). Disclaimer: I was at neither show, though I have watched the 10/31/98 video many times.

My theory was that he needed to take a shit-- in that thread there are some other guesses as well. There are a couple videos on PooTube from the 9/18/00 show, but not the Halley's (which I looked long and hard for in my "investigation" ;) . Bummer for sure.

I listened to this jam over and over last week trying to figure out if I could find any signs in the music itself that would point to the imminent bail-out, but I couldn't find any. Alas, I was traveling yesterday and couldn't check in for the MJM, which for the first time, I *instantly* recognized. Bummer! Nice work @slaphappy, and nice work LBC-- not sure if you saw that thread but that basically was a gift MJM for me considering I listened to that jam over and over the last two weeks, yet the MJM whizzed right past me.
, comment by ucpete
ucpete That wasn't supposed to be a winky face and that didn't show up in the preview. Strange! Also, whichever source @lumpblockclod presents here sounds better than the one I have...
, comment by ucpete
ucpete And that hyperlink got borked somehow too. Strange happenings.

http://forum.phish.net/thread.php?thread=1357940759
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez @ucpete said:
That wasn't supposed to be a winky face and that didn't show up in the preview. Strange! Also, whichever source @lumpblockclod presents here sounds better than the one I have...
second'ed. it sounds WAY better than what i have. can we get a "consolation prize" this week ;)
, comment by ucpete
ucpete @MiguelSanchez said:
@ucpete said:
That wasn't supposed to be a winky face and that didn't show up in the preview. Strange! Also, whichever source @lumpblockclod presents here sounds better than the one I have...
second'ed. it sounds WAY better than what i have. can we get a "consolation prize" this week ;)
The people have spoken, @lumpblockclod. Name your 9/18/00 source! :D
, comment by Squirrel
Squirrel I may be able to shed some light on the walk off. I was third row, Trey side. Evan at that distance it was difficult to tell what they were saying. From what I could tell, Trey was actually concerned about braking curfew. Mike wanted to play another song. After destroying that Haley's Trey looked at him, said well then you do that, and bolted. Mike stood there dumfounded for a second, (probably realizing who cares about a curfew fine) then they all left. We weren’t exactly sure if that was what went down or now. We checked afterward and the encore did end about 2 minutes before the curfew. Not sure if that is the whole story or not. Regardless, it was a great second set, thought if the above is true, I agree with Mike, it could have used another song or three.
, comment by lumpblockclod
lumpblockclod @ucpete said:
The people have spoken, @lumpblockclod. Name your 9/18/00 source! :D
Source: Neumann U87ai > Mackie 1202 > D8 (Set I) DAP1 (Set II)
Taper: David Schall
, comment by MiguelSanchez
MiguelSanchez @Squirrel said:
I may be able to shed some light on the walk off. I was third row, Trey side. Evan at that distance it was difficult to tell what they were saying. From what I could tell, Trey was actually concerned about braking curfew. Mike wanted to play another song. After destroying that Haley's Trey looked at him, said well then you do that, and bolted. Mike stood there dumfounded for a second, (probably realizing who cares about a curfew fine) then they all left. We weren&#65533;t exactly sure if that was what went down or now. We checked afterward and the encore did end about 2 minutes before the curfew. Not sure if that is the whole story or not. Regardless, it was a great second set, thought if the above is true, I agree with Mike, it could have used another song or three.
interesting.

i agree. i think one more song after halley's, or maybe even a proper ending to that jam, could've made that a "classic set." even the encore seemed a little awkward after that. either way, the halley's jam was nasty, and mcgrupp and boogie were stand outs too. good times.
, comment by bl002e
bl002e @Squirrel said:
I may be able to shed some light on the walk off. I was third row, Trey side. Evan at that distance it was difficult to tell what they were saying. From what I could tell, Trey was actually concerned about braking curfew. Mike wanted to play another song. After destroying that Haley's Trey looked at him, said well then you do that, and bolted. Mike stood there dumfounded for a second, (probably realizing who cares about a curfew fine) then they all left. We weren&#65533;t exactly sure if that was what went down or now. We checked afterward and the encore did end about 2 minutes before the curfew. Not sure if that is the whole story or not. Regardless, it was a great second set, thought if the above is true, I agree with Mike, it could have used another song or three.
Thanks for the info! I figured it wasn't anything as dramatic as fans have made it over the years since. Again, without the 10/31/98 Ghost, I doubt this moment would have been obsessed over as much.
 
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